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	<title>Comments on: Downing street memo</title>
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	<description>A few thoughts and other random stuff I found interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2525</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m talking about the conversations &lt;em&gt;we&#039;ve&lt;/em&gt; had; and you&#039;ll find that I never mentioned a quote or excerpt from any of Moore&#039;s movies as a reference to my points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m talking about the conversations <em>we&#8217;ve</em> had; and you&#8217;ll find that I never mentioned a quote or excerpt from any of Moore&#8217;s movies as a reference to my points.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Z</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2524</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to this statement about me and why this type of media has lost credibility with me -
&quot;or dismissed as some sort of tricky left-wing video editing &quot; - JB

Yes I am skeptical of the &quot; left &quot; media. I have always listened and thought, ok they have a bent to frame stories around, that&#039;s fine.
Moore did exactly what you are saying I am accusing them for:---
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FULLY ADMITTED TO BY MOORE ON LAUER&#039;s SHOW. One of the congressman moore asked if he had his son in Irag. In the &quot; film &quot; by mm the man is saying &quot; no, his son isn&#039;t in Irag &quot; , BUT they real tape shows that the guy said yes!
It was either Tim Johnson or Duncan Hunter, I believe.
There were so many other direct lies just in this alone and no network news source stated it so and condemned it as fiction. BUT you had tons of naive young people soaking it as truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to this statement about me and why this type of media has lost credibility with me -<br />
&#8220;or dismissed as some sort of tricky left-wing video editing &#8221; &#8211; JB</p>
<p>Yes I am skeptical of the &#8221; left &#8221; media. I have always listened and thought, ok they have a bent to frame stories around, that&#8217;s fine.<br />
Moore did exactly what you are saying I am accusing them for:&#8212;<br />
&#8211;<br />
FULLY ADMITTED TO BY MOORE ON LAUER&#8217;s SHOW. One of the congressman moore asked if he had his son in Irag. In the &#8221; film &#8221; by mm the man is saying &#8221; no, his son isn&#8217;t in Irag &#8221; , BUT they real tape shows that the guy said yes!<br />
It was either Tim Johnson or Duncan Hunter, I believe.<br />
There were so many other direct lies just in this alone and no network news source stated it so and condemned it as fiction. BUT you had tons of naive young people soaking it as truth.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2516</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can call them freaks, but I don&#039;t automatically dismiss whatever they say just because they said it; I will listen and evaluate it in light of other evidence, etc. If someone quotes something they say which I don&#039;t agree with, I will explain &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; I disagree with it, not just write it off because it comes from a biased source.

I&#039;m referring to the numerous occasions on which I&#039;ve referenced factual information in a discussion, and you automatically dismiss it if it comes from any so-called &quot;liberal&quot; paper, etc., which leads me to believe that the only sources you will listen to are those that already agree with your position.

In fact, even in this thread, where I was carefully to use only sources that you&#039;ve already acknowledged as ones you respect (namely the administration themselves) you still won&#039;t acknowledge that they lied, so my suspicion that your mind is closed on this issue is confirmed.

Not trying to take cheap shots, just commenting on our discussions so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can call them freaks, but I don&#8217;t automatically dismiss whatever they say just because they said it; I will listen and evaluate it in light of other evidence, etc. If someone quotes something they say which I don&#8217;t agree with, I will explain <em>why</em> I disagree with it, not just write it off because it comes from a biased source.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m referring to the numerous occasions on which I&#8217;ve referenced factual information in a discussion, and you automatically dismiss it if it comes from any so-called &#8220;liberal&#8221; paper, etc., which leads me to believe that the only sources you will listen to are those that already agree with your position.</p>
<p>In fact, even in this thread, where I was carefully to use only sources that you&#8217;ve already acknowledged as ones you respect (namely the administration themselves) you still won&#8217;t acknowledge that they lied, so my suspicion that your mind is closed on this issue is confirmed.</p>
<p>Not trying to take cheap shots, just commenting on our discussions so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2518</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops. &lt;a href=&quot;http://dancameron.org/archives/645/some-political-humor/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops. <a href="http://dancameron.org/archives/645/some-political-humor/" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2517</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pinged this post from my own site so it&#039;s new.

Just go &lt;a href=&quot;http://dancameron.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pinged this post from my own site so it&#8217;s new.</p>
<p>Just go <a href="http://dancameron.org" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Z</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you forget that Dave does not recognize any evidence submitted by a â&#128;&#156;liberalâ&#128;? source such as moveon.org (or any other source that doesnâ&#128;&#153;t promote his predetermined opinion, for that matter).&quot;

Pretty cheap shot coming from someone who called Hannity and Limbaugh freaks. I guess you look closely at their info. without dismissing it as from &quot; freaks &quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you forget that Dave does not recognize any evidence submitted by a â&#8364;&#339;liberalâ&#8364;? source such as moveon.org (or any other source that doesnâ&#8364;&#8482;t promote his predetermined opinion, for that matter).&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty cheap shot coming from someone who called Hannity and Limbaugh freaks. I guess you look closely at their info. without dismissing it as from &#8221; freaks &#8220;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Z</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2520</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan you are so late to this party. My last comment was 6 24 05.
better late than never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan you are so late to this party. My last comment was 6 24 05.<br />
better late than never.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2521</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Dan, you forget that Dave does not recognize any evidence submitted by a &quot;liberal&quot; source such as moveon.org (or any other source that doesn&#039;t promote his predetermined opinion, for that matter).

Even though this video consists of direct quotes from administration officials, in their own words, it will be ignored and/or dismissed as some sort of tricky left-wing video editing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Dan, you forget that Dave does not recognize any evidence submitted by a &#8220;liberal&#8221; source such as moveon.org (or any other source that doesn&#8217;t promote his predetermined opinion, for that matter).</p>
<p>Even though this video consists of direct quotes from administration officials, in their own words, it will be ignored and/or dismissed as some sort of tricky left-wing video editing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2522</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.moveon.org/false/video/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.moveon.org/false/video/" rel="nofollow">http://www.moveon.org/false/video/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scattered &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some political humor</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/06/17/downing-street-memo/comment-page-2/#comment-2523</link>
		<dc:creator>Scattered &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some political humor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Have to look at this, including DZ. Since he doesn&#8217;t believe Bush ever lied, now he can see it for himself in the form of an awesome action figure. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Have to look at this, including DZ. Since he doesn&#8217;t believe Bush ever lied, now he can see it for himself in the form of an awesome action figure. [...]</p>
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