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	<title>Comments on: Motives</title>
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	<description>A few thoughts and other random stuff I found interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/12/22/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is still obviously no. It might be more difficult to wait until you can remove all the people (or you may want to call them &quot;unarmed citizens&quot;) first, if it&#039;s really necessary to do it at all (which is debatable), but you are certainly not justified in saying &quot;well, we asked them to leave, so now we&#039;re going to kill anyone who didn&#039;t&quot;.

In a way, that&#039;s a misleading question as well, because you&#039;re assuming several things; primarily that finding and destroying the tunnels will prevent RPG attacks on unarmed citizens, which I would argue hasn&#039;t been proven to be true by any means. This is like the argument that backers of the patriot act here in our country put forward: that it&#039;s necessary to prevent terrorism. #1 - there&#039;s no proof that it does actually prevent terrorism, and #2 even if it did, that doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s the only way to do it, or that it&#039;s justified.

If the Israeli government decided to eradicate every last Palestinian (or move them all into concentration camps, etc.) following the lead of a certain other government that they&#039;ve had experience with, that would certainly be effective in achieving the goal of ending Palestinian terrorism, so does that justify it? Of course not. The ends do not justify the means.

That&#039;s the thing that bothers me the most about all these justifications of governmental actions that are wrong; they think that saying that they&#039;re &quot;preventing terrorism&quot; should automatically justify pretty much any measures they&#039;re willing to take, and we should accept them without question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is still obviously no. It might be more difficult to wait until you can remove all the people (or you may want to call them &#8220;unarmed citizens&#8221;) first, if it&#8217;s really necessary to do it at all (which is debatable), but you are certainly not justified in saying &#8220;well, we asked them to leave, so now we&#8217;re going to kill anyone who didn&#8217;t&#8221;.</p>
<p>In a way, that&#8217;s a misleading question as well, because you&#8217;re assuming several things; primarily that finding and destroying the tunnels will prevent RPG attacks on unarmed citizens, which I would argue hasn&#8217;t been proven to be true by any means. This is like the argument that backers of the patriot act here in our country put forward: that it&#8217;s necessary to prevent terrorism. #1 &#8211; there&#8217;s no proof that it does actually prevent terrorism, and #2 even if it did, that doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s the only way to do it, or that it&#8217;s justified.</p>
<p>If the Israeli government decided to eradicate every last Palestinian (or move them all into concentration camps, etc.) following the lead of a certain other government that they&#8217;ve had experience with, that would certainly be effective in achieving the goal of ending Palestinian terrorism, so does that justify it? Of course not. The ends do not justify the means.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the thing that bothers me the most about all these justifications of governmental actions that are wrong; they think that saying that they&#8217;re &#8220;preventing terrorism&#8221; should automatically justify pretty much any measures they&#8217;re willing to take, and we should accept them without question.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/12/22/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is when you phrase your questions like that the answer is obvious, but in reality that&#039;s  not the question.

Here&#039;s one that is just a little closer to reality and harder to answere, not saying it&#039;s complete, or accurate all the time. - Is it OK to buldoze many houses where the ouccupants have been begged to leave in order to find and destroy a few smuggiling tunnels that are vital for the enemy to carry out RPG attacks on unarmed citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is when you phrase your questions like that the answer is obvious, but in reality that&#8217;s  not the question.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one that is just a little closer to reality and harder to answere, not saying it&#8217;s complete, or accurate all the time. &#8211; Is it OK to buldoze many houses where the ouccupants have been begged to leave in order to find and destroy a few smuggiling tunnels that are vital for the enemy to carry out RPG attacks on unarmed citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/12/22/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-3676</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 06:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even I would say that there are some cases when war is necessary, although in this day and age it can and should be fought very differently than it was in the past.

However, the dangers when it comes to war are  when the war was not justified in the first place, or when (even in a justified war) a combatant engages in unethical conduct (such as torture) that is not justified even in the context of a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even I would say that there are some cases when war is necessary, although in this day and age it can and should be fought very differently than it was in the past.</p>
<p>However, the dangers when it comes to war are  when the war was not justified in the first place, or when (even in a justified war) a combatant engages in unethical conduct (such as torture) that is not justified even in the context of a war.</p>
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		<title>By: ma ma j</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2005/12/22/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-3675</link>
		<dc:creator>ma ma j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right.  It&#039;s interesting how we have different rules for &quot;war&quot; than we do for individuals of the human race.  It&#039;s not right to kill, except.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right.  It&#8217;s interesting how we have different rules for &#8220;war&#8221; than we do for individuals of the human race.  It&#8217;s not right to kill, except&#8230;..</p>
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