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	<title>Comments on: HTML Mail Revisted</title>
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	<description>A few thoughts and other random stuff I found interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15804</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I understand that some people will still insist on sending HTML in e-mail, and for those people, this project is a perfect approach to the issue. We might as well work towards the mail clients supporting standards based HTML if they&#039;re going to support HTML at all.

For me, I&#039;d just rather see HTML remain in web pages rendered by the browser, since we&#039;ve already made so much progress on that front. A text only mail with a single hyperlink is a lot classier to me than HTML embedded in the e-mail itself.

I generally agree with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/08/e-mail-is-not-a-platform-for-design/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeffrey&#039;s points in his earlier anti-HTML post&lt;/a&gt; (as well as some of the comments there by people like Eric Meyer), and I don&#039;t see any reason why those points are not still valid today. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I understand that some people will still insist on sending HTML in e-mail, and for those people, this project is a perfect approach to the issue. We might as well work towards the mail clients supporting standards based HTML if they&#8217;re going to support HTML at all.</p>
<p>For me, I&#8217;d just rather see HTML remain in web pages rendered by the browser, since we&#8217;ve already made so much progress on that front. A text only mail with a single hyperlink is a lot classier to me than HTML embedded in the e-mail itself.</p>
<p>I generally agree with <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/08/e-mail-is-not-a-platform-for-design/" rel="nofollow">Jeffrey&#8217;s points in his earlier anti-HTML post</a> (as well as some of the comments there by people like Eric Meyer), and I don&#8217;t see any reason why those points are not still valid today.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Patterson</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15767</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post JB. While we can certainly appreciate your personal opinion on HTML email, that same marketing department is going to send HTML whether designers agree or not - it&#039;s not going away.

We just want to work to make sure the HTML they send is lightweight, compliant and accessible.

Sending text+html means that for you, who prefers text, you never even see the HTML so it has no problems at all, apart from the additional (minor) use of bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post JB. While we can certainly appreciate your personal opinion on HTML email, that same marketing department is going to send HTML whether designers agree or not &#8211; it&#8217;s not going away.</p>
<p>We just want to work to make sure the HTML they send is lightweight, compliant and accessible.</p>
<p>Sending text+html means that for you, who prefers text, you never even see the HTML so it has no problems at all, apart from the additional (minor) use of bandwidth.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15732</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I can explain it better: 

The problems I have with HTML mail are mostly related to the issues that e-mail clients have with HTML that usually result in really ugly HTML being written to work around them. And the fact that e-mail was never originally intended to support HTML and I believe it would be better to use things that were (such as web pages), if you want to send HTML.

Adding plain text to that doesn&#039;t really help at all, other than to give people who are using text only readers an easier way to read the message. Sure, it&#039;s a little better than HTML only, but to me it still has most of the same problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I can explain it better: </p>
<p>The problems I have with HTML mail are mostly related to the issues that e-mail clients have with HTML that usually result in really ugly HTML being written to work around them. And the fact that e-mail was never originally intended to support HTML and I believe it would be better to use things that were (such as web pages), if you want to send HTML.</p>
<p>Adding plain text to that doesn&#8217;t really help at all, other than to give people who are using text only readers an easier way to read the message. Sure, it&#8217;s a little better than HTML only, but to me it still has most of the same problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15699</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but that makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but that makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15697</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problems associated with sending both are most of the problems that you have with sending HTML by itself (inconsistent formatting and/or ugly markup in order to try and achieve consistency). That&#039;s my main objection: sending HTML at all in the message.

Trying to make it easier on plain text only users by also including the plain text along with the HTML doesn&#039;t go very far (in my book), because it&#039;s all still there. It&#039;s definitely better than nothing, but it still doesn&#039;t look good in a text only reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems associated with sending both are most of the problems that you have with sending HTML by itself (inconsistent formatting and/or ugly markup in order to try and achieve consistency). That&#8217;s my main objection: sending HTML at all in the message.</p>
<p>Trying to make it easier on plain text only users by also including the plain text along with the HTML doesn&#8217;t go very far (in my book), because it&#8217;s all still there. It&#8217;s definitely better than nothing, but it still doesn&#8217;t look good in a text only reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cameron</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15695</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plain text is plain text. It is wasted bandwidth but how can it have problems, since that&#039;s what you&#039;re saying you prefer anyways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plain text is plain text. It is wasted bandwidth but how can it have problems, since that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re saying you prefer anyways?</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15619</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I really don&#039;t like that option; just a bunch of wasted space with most of the same problems associated with HTML mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I really don&#8217;t like that option; just a bunch of wasted space with most of the same problems associated with HTML mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/2007/11/29/html-mail-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15617</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or just use HTML and plain text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or just use HTML and plain text.</p>
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