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37 Comments
You know what else is icrazy? Apple is going to use Intel chips in the Mac.
Dave, what ever happened to your blog? You know, that thing that you could post to when you had a new topic to discuss?
Typical Dave trying to start controversy when he doesn’t know what really is going on.
Serioulsy this is not a joke,
Just trying to get a tech “discussion” going. Not much controversy about tech.
I posted this on Dan’ s blog thru our discussion about Apple and Intel.
What do you think about it Jared?
Maybe we should buy apple stock.
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This discussion has unearthed their real motives  the MINI MAC !( not joking )
You thought video over the PS was not posible and they came out with it so please read the following. ( this is better to discuss tech than politics for me ).
Intel and Apple are close geographically and it would make sense if they could help each other become stronger. They are probably working on some back room deals that the money grabbing politicians would want to see if they could get more money from them with some new fee or tax.
Why would Apple use Intel if it is slower and more expensive?
So you think that Apple is coming out with a new hand-held device? the mini mac that is- – videoconferencing capable, unlimited email and Internet, mp3 player, cell phone, organizer, camera.
They could get monthly revenue from the usage fees and I believe they have the power and tech to blow away all the handhelds out there.
Bill Gates has mentioned this type of convergence.
It small and wearable and does it all over the cell network.”
They could have “mini me ” introduce it at inforcomm or ces.
The point of my comment was that this discussion has nothing to do with this post, which is about the behavior of the WordPress application, and how it handles trackbacks or pingbacks.
Since it’s pretty much been hijacked already though, I guess I will comment on the mac thing.
As Dan mentioned, Intel and Apple have always talked about this. It does appear more likely this time around, but I don’t really see it making a big difference. The only possible change I see is if Apple uses the lower production cost to push into the business market more (which will still be difficult, but they could try), instead of pocketing the difference. The reason this will be difficult is that the Mac has nothing to offer the average office PC user that a Windows system for about half the cost doesn’t also offer.
It’s pretty much just speculation whether the chips will be faster or slower than the ones IBM makes for them now, it could go either way. The only general consensus is that the Intel chips will be cheaper.
My prediction is that people who insist on buying Macs now will continue to do so, regardless of how fast/slow they are, and whether they’re using IBM or Intel chips. This is because they are either fanatically / religiously dedicated to the MacOS and they’ve never taken the time to learn anything else, or maybe (in a minority of cases) they’re actually familiar with (and capable of using) the alternatives and have chosen the OS for a good reason. Notice that neither of these reasons has anything to do with the hardware.
And for those who don’t buy Macs now, they will also probably continue to not buy them, because even with cheaper chips, I predict that Macs will continue to be overpriced.
Same thing probably goes for any (speculative) “mini mac”. Like the iPod, they would probably come out with something that will cost more than the other stuff on the market that will do the exact same thing, minus the supposedly “awesome” user interface on the Apple device. One specific thing I will say is that there won’t be any videoconferencing over the cell network anytime soon.
One last Mac opinion / prediction: iTunes will soon offer a cheap unlimited music service for a monthly fee. Now that Yahoo offers unlimited songs for $5 a month (prepaid for a year), Apple will have to do the same to continue to support the iPod / iTunes combo, since the Yahoo stuff will not work with iPods (they use WMA with the copy protection features, etc.)
My blog has become dormant. The winter of non-commenting and the cold winds of apathy closed it up tight.
Now it is more of a tomb of ideas than a memorial to free expression. Unknown and lost in blogger. Even google has forgotten it’s location.
A new ” first ” for me - thread hijacking!
I concur on your mac analysis. In discussing my experience in the business world that I dont often see macs except in the graphics dept. - mac users have been zealous in defending mac and mac usage stating how great it is and how it is out there. Why dont they lower the price or come out with a cheaper business model? Is it because it would tarnish their cool image?
THE only macs I have seen in a business office were at: American Film Institute and TWBA Chiat Day ( they are a big ad agency and this could be considered mac territory ).
Since the Intel chips are not that much cheaper or faster that brings me to a conclusion that Apple is planning on making something new. ?? who knows?
What does yahoo work with?
Why dont you think video wont happen over cell phones soon?
They do have cell tv and video messaging now. I dont see full duplex videoconferencing right now but I dont think it is that far off. (If they can have full duplex voice ). It wont have the video algorithmns or qualtiy such as IP or ISDN present day videoconferencing. But I think it will be some sort of half duplex session - each sending a video separately then responding- a little like IM, actually this can be done now but I think it will become session oriented and tighter time wise to simulate full duplex.The quality will suck for awhile.
Thread Hijacker, Dave
Cell phone networks don’t have fast or reliable enough data service to use even half-duplex videoconferencing. AT&T has something new that is supposed to be faster, but it is on a very limited release, and is probably too expensive (and will be for a while) for popular use.
My phone (and many others) will do video messaging, and I have an unlimited data plan (which most don’t and is another reason they could not participate in a video conf) but it would never do it at “conversation” speeds, just because of the network speed limitation. Video messaging currently works just like MMS or other messaging, in a very similar model to email (using attachments).
Don’t get me wrong, I’m certain video phones will happen, in the not too distant future, just not right now. When the next-gen data network services are implemented, which are supposed to give 802.11-ish speed at GPRS range, then maybe it will be possible, but even then more companies would need to offer unmetered data plans to make it useful.
As for the Macs, I think the reason that they don’t offer a slimmed down version for business use is that it probably would still gain them zero ground into the business market. Probably the only people that would end up buying them would be techie people like Dan (or me) who probably also already have other computers, or people who would otherwise buy the next more expensive Mac, because they just want the cheapest Mac they can buy.
So, in the end, they’d pretty much just be undercutting sales of their next-lowest cost unit, and not nearly making up for it by the increased techie sales. In fact, I would bet that this is what they have seen with the recent Mac Mini, not that I have looked into it at all.
Interesting take on the video over cell ( VCeL ).
802.11 with a cell interface…
that would create hacker issues with free flowing video out there.
The newest algorithmn for business videoconferencing over IP or ISDN ( ISDN is fading hard ) is H.264 that is available, which allows users to video at almost twice the quality for half the bandwidth. Now a 384K IP call looks like a 768K IP call did last summer. So they are working rapidly on compression to accomodate the bandwidth limitations.
The video I have seen from cell phones has been remarkable. the Dick Tracy watch should be fully functional by the time your kids hit college.
Re: Macs
Did the recent mac mini die off yet?
Seems like those with the left or right brain choose either the mac or pc to go along with the creating or concrete sides of their brain dominance.
I feel that I am creative but it’s beyond sitting down at a keyboard.
I/we in the house dont have a mac mostly due to expense and reason for use( we have 2 pcs ). We just want the computer for basic emailing, word functions, spreadsheet stuff. Macs seem so artsy.They do attract a cult like following. I dont have any need for the high end graphic/visual arts at home. Here I am a sales engineer for videoconferencing though. It’s mostly set up and design not content creation.
What do you mean by “hacker issues”?
The H.264 is a codec that only deals with the compression / encoding, etc. of the video, not the transmission over the network, so the smaller size that it provides will make it faster, but not add any additional security.
Data on cell phones today (using GPRS or so-called “2.5G”) can only do around 100Kbps, which probably isn’t good enough for video conferencing. In addition, the coverage good enough for that high of a speed is not widely available; you’d have to find a place with good reception and stand still, which kind of defeats the advantage of doing it from a cell phone.
“3G” service is supposed to bring the speed up to around 384K, which you could probably do decent video conferencing with at the small resolution of a cell phone screen and the compression that H.264 would provide. But you’d still have the issues with coverage, and you’d also need phones with a lot more processing horsepower than are out there now in order to deal with the compression in real-time.
I have no doubt that this will all happen, even within the next few years in major metro areas, but just not right now.
As for the mac argument, I really don’t buy the whole “creative” thing. I stand by my statement that most (not all, Dan, but MOST) Mac users like Macs because they are “easy to use”, and probably only because someone told them they were easier to use than Windows or the other alternatives. The only reasons that it’s more popular among the “artsy”-types is that those people by and large are less familiar with computers and started using macs because they thought they were easier.
Then, in turn, because of that, some applications were developed which became industry standards (mostly in audio and video editing) that were never ported to any other platforms, so there is the perception that the Mac is “better” for these types of work, when in reality it’s just that the applications that everyone thinks are the best only run on Mac. This has absolutely nothing to do with either the hardware or the operating system.
This is exactly why my opinion remains that the Mac (as it exists now) is already obsolete. It’s only a matter of time before there are video & audio applications that are just as good available on Linux (some would argue that they are now, or at least close enough that it’s worth the cost savings). When that happens, then you just have to wait for all the old farts who only learned how to use one application / OS to be overrun by the masses of teenagers (and others) who are not afraid of something new and will put in the time and effort to learn the free tools and produce better content.
Another point on creativity: That can be a very broad term, and depending on the interpretation, I could say that the Mac (as an OS) is one of the least creative ones out there. What I mean is that I do some pretty “creative” things with my computer, and an OS that tries as hard as it can to hide the complexities of the underlying system from the user (IMHO) can hinder the kind of technical “creativity” that you can have with a system like Linux. If I want to build a box for a specific purpose (maybe even a “creative” one), I can use Linux to compile an operating system with my own custom kernel, specifically designed to do what I want and only what I want. That is “creativity”. With a Mac, you don’t have that choice. Of course, you can run Linux on Apple hardware, but then why pay all the extra money?
whoa, too much,
100k is too slow for video right now…
right H.264 algorithmn is about compression not transmission, but allows users to get better pictures at slower speeds,
the slowest speeds we use are 192K, 256K
the small screen is a problem, have you seen any of the cell tv stuff on your cell?
using a blackberry now for email - not sure what network protocol is being used. I have unlimited data though.
hacking wireless issues to be aware of and will be guarded against I’m sure.
Re Mac being for the creative - I am being extremely generalistic about the business world. Just about
every job I have looked at to send in my resume in the last few years all have must know how to use ms office , ms windows environment etc,,
of course you can be creative with computers without macs, I am speaking about the business world that I have seen.
The accounting dept at TWBA Chiat Day uses macs as does the rest of the agency. In another business only the graphics group used macs the accounting and the rest of the company used pcs.
I can only base this on my own experience, what I have seen I have written about.
So the video editing etc apps can only run on macs at present. It seemed to evolve that way due to the creatives using macs and producing the software to fit their own needs within the community - I think. chicken vs egg deal.
Wow Linux can run those apps on pcs. Didnt know that.
Yes the youngers will turn over today’s technology and laugh while listening to some explain why they love their mac.
Linux sounds pretty expansive. Is it used much?
You can tell I am NOT a programmer, huh?
Would linux be good for a high end gaming pc?
Macs obsolete. Is that why Apple is branching out with all this other stuff? Will they go the way of the ” PET Computer Company ” or the ” Osborne personal pc “?
Have fun at work, which is what I have to do now, it’s fun not having a politically oriented discussion with you in that there hasn’t been, I think, ” hot anger points ” over our differing opinions.
Yes, Linux rocks. I wouldn’t use it for a “gaming” PC, though, since not many popular games are released for it. At the risk of starting a political discussion, I will say that one of the great things about it (besides the performance and flexibility) is that it’s free, in every sense of the word - built from the ground up by people who are not doing it to make money - I know it’s shocking to the average capitalist.
Since you are talking about Macs, here is a relevant essay that I found interesting from the popular computer visionary Paul Grahm. He offers an RSS feed for his essays by the way.
Linux has nothing to do with any political or economic system, and lots of people who have made significant contributions have made money from it.
I so wish I had a computer in front of me to speak my mind to you unkowing mac haters. For now my treo will do.
Mac is not creative because it hides its unix base, it hides it because noone knows how to use Unix or whatever bsd fork you want to call it. Honestly, you guys are so wrong about mac not being a creative enviroment. So for an OS to be creative it needs to crash, so a creative person can figure out that you screwed up the registry when you installed that last application. I don’t see as many free apps out there for windows as I do for Mac, ma@nly because people can write a program easily, and it is also extremely easy to port all those open source Linux apps over.
Even with that said Tiger, the newest OS for mac, is not hype it is the real deal. Spotlight is something M$ wanted to do in XP then pushed it to Longhorn and they still might not releade it sinse winfs is not going to come out for who knows how long.
Macs are expensive but are worth it nomatter what you say. for someone like Dave, an old guy who knows nothing about a computet, its perfect because as Jared says, it’s not creative, meaning, its easy. For Video production, you can use a pc but Apples production suite is the best, .more powerful and integrated. If you were to do full videoproduction on a pc then you are looking at 4 different apps from 4 different companys and to get them to work together isn’t worth it in big to mid production. I will bring this up again tommorow when I have time and a real keyboard.
Creativity really has nothing to do with why macs are better in my opinion. its all about usability, applications, and….
got to go
“Linux has nothing to do with any political or economic system” - that was exactly my point. Other operating systems (like Windows and Mac) are tied to (and created for) the economic system, Linux is not.
As for Paul Graham, I’ll have to check out more of his stuff. It seems that he is slightly misinformed and/or confused about the underpinnings of OSX, though. To say that it’s FreeBSD is misleading, because it’s actually Apple’s own closed, proprietary BSD variant.
Dan, I think if you read my comments again you will find that I agree with you in many points. Macs are not used because of “creativity”, but rather because of the perception (true or false) that they are easier to use. As for the apps, it’s only a matter of time before people get sick of paying for (or pirating) Apple’s overpriced software, and as new people learn they will move towards cheaper tools that will do the job just as well.
Paul Grham is the real deal. I think he said FreeBSD because it was true enough for the article. He wasn’t writing about the specifics of the OS X implementation. Anyway, the moral of the article is for Dave Z: put *all* your money in Apple.
Great about Linux it fits with my governement and freedom policy, if they want to write a program and FREELY give it away I am for Freedom without the intrusion and open hand of money grubbing politicians who want to social engineer away personal freedom.
Nate, thanks for the hot stock type. It could work. Right now I am focused on Gold and commodities and getting my money together to short the Dow, S&P 500 and the Nasdag ( qqqq ). One short futures contract coverd by a decent call can do well when the dow crashes back to 4000.
Dan, It’s true that I dont know what a ” computet ” is.
I guess you youngens know all about computets. : )
My position is that Mac’s are seen in the creative world and not much in the business world. That’s all.
I am not dispariging Apple one iota( whatever an iota is, interesting word for an etomology study ). Gosh, you mac lovers are a zealous lot.
Let my position on Apple/Mac be clear -
I think Apple is a very interesting company and I like the fact they have pushed the technology to newer heights.
It’s like humans run the company not the bottom line.
Funny thing for an ” average capitalist ” to say ey JB?
Jared, at the risk of being called a thread hijacker, do you have any comments on brennan manning or his book- Abba’s child? I would like to hear them, and anyones, but you would need to start a new topic.
That is all.
Dan,
Impressive in that you wrote that whole post with your Treo!
I lied, even though I said I was coming back to write more on what I said above, I am not.
I was over it untill Dave clearly stated the obvious,
It’s true Apple is inovative. When have you ever seen Apple make something someone else already had (since S. Jobs anyway). And I can name so many things that Apple created or started before any PC. The tablet might be the first thing Apple will create that someother company created first, not saying it won’t be inovative and unique but the concept has been done. Making me think the rumors are false.
Take that one Mac bashers. Where is Stryker in all of this, he is a Mac and PC user, he even uses Opera.
Here’s one: What is Opera? you youngster.
Dano you must admit I was pretty funny above.
No pithy comeback from Her Majesty’s loyal terrier? Dan, Jared, Nate, what video game is that from?
Dan, I would agree that Apple has a history of innovation, but if you’re talking about recent events, that’s not exactly accurate. They are more successful at marketing, but their products are not necessarily original.
Take the iPod for example, which came out around 2001. MP3 players had been around since 1998, including a hard-drive based one (like iPod) from Compaq, 2+ years before the iPod. Nothing really new other than marketing.
JB you dont have a tagboard sorry, why is the following even News on yahoo?
New York Times Co. to Eliminate 190 Jobs
Funny about compaq having a hard drive mp3 2 years Before apple. Apple’s marketing the cool image is definately working. Compaq seems almost to be an unknown entity. I didn’t know they had a mp3 player.
mp3 players have been out since 98!
Re: off topic posts - I will say it again - get a blog! Oh wait, you have one already. Post to it.
Re: mp3 players - Yes, the most popular one that is generally regarded as the “first” was a Diamond Rio model, I don’t know the exact model number or date, other than the year.
I know I know but you dont have a tag board.
I am a victim of the blogging world I need help and a place to write where people will read it.
Are you buying this?
I remember the dianmond rio.
We read your blog when it was up, and we would again if you started posting again. With RSS, it’s pretty easy to keep up with them.
If you want more comments than you were getting, then I don’t know what to advise.
No problem, I like to hear your opinion on some things and I dont have your email and I will follow the etiquette. If something evolves that is ok right?
i advise talking about yourself instead of other people.
the blog was fun but it required time and work.
maybe with rss it could be eaiser.
yeah, my blog was about mellow stuff, not me,
it is up again for a short season.
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Apple has been the first in a lot of fields, look at Wifi, a lot of people didn’t know they brought the WiFi world to us. I think they invented it too, but could be wrong.
When I was talking about inovation I was also thinking of how they implement new technology faster then anyone else, they also have the best designers. The new iMac g5 is awesome.
yes, they took the mp3 tech looked at what wasnt working and made it better.
I looked at mp3 players and didn’t want to spend the time doing another science project everytime to find & download a legal song.
If they invented WIFI that’s great, but they haven’t exploited it much - or should I say innovated it to reach the bottom line in a big splash like the ipod.
A lot of people didn’t know Apple brought WiFi to us because it’s not true. Like the iPod, other companies had already done the work of both developing the technology itself and making the devices, Apple just put a nice looking wrapping on it and made it more popular.
The more I uncover about how Apple pretty much just takes technology that others have already made and claims it as their own, the more they remind me of Microsoft. To be fair, Apple doesn’t actually claim that an MP3 player like the iPod or “wifi” were their original ideas, but as you can see, many of their advocates still believe it.
P.S. - In case you can’t tell, I hate the term “wifi”, it’s totally ridiculous and has no meaning that makes any sense.
Well of course they did not bring 802.11 (is that better), but they did invent the airport that brought wireless networking to offices or homes.
I never said they invented mp3 players with the iPod;Dave did and he not a Mac advocate.
Things I know they invented
SCSI
Firewire
iTunes
Digital cameras
Personal Computers
And there is a huge list of products that they either brought into the mainstream or where the first to market them.
Dual-Processors
DVD-R
Bluetooth (maybe)
WiFi (:D)
slot loaded laptops
Spotlight (windows has been trying for ever)
All-in-one machine (iMac)
64bit
GUI (Xerox)
Mice (Xerox)
Best of all they were the first to kill the floppy drive and give computers to schools when you bought a bunch of grocieries at Vons.
Here are some web quotes.
It was supposed to say:
Well of course they did not invent 802.11 (is that better)