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	<title>Comments on: Pathetic attempt</title>
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	<description>A collection of my thoughts and other random stuff I found interesting.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Z</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5872</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have gotten the paypal spamail a few times per month.
The first one I forwarded to Dave D and also looked up the return email address and it was in nigeria.....

This must work in some instances as they keep trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have gotten the paypal spamail a few times per month.<br />
The first one I forwarded to Dave D and also looked up the return email address and it was in nigeria&#8230;..</p>
<p>This must work in some instances as they keep trying.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5873</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 03:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that's true; in most cases OpenDNS is an opt-in choice, so it's completely up to the individual whether they want to use it, and in those cases it would probably be wise to reap the benefits as long as you could work around it if the limitation were to ever come up.

I would have more of a problem with it if it were in a public access environment (such as a library) where the users couldn't change the setting themselves.

The community driven aspect of the filtering list doesn't really change my opinion of the concept of filtering in general; if it's not an optional choice by the user then I'm opposed to it flat out (so I'm OK with OpenDNS doing it as long as the &lt;em&gt;use&lt;/em&gt; of OpenDNS is optional). The reason is that even if it is truly community driven (which most are not - the company usually still has the final say) then it's still an opportunity for discriminatory censorship. If something I'd like to read is blocked, I don't really care whether the larger community agrees that it should be or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s true; in most cases OpenDNS is an opt-in choice, so it&#8217;s completely up to the individual whether they want to use it, and in those cases it would probably be wise to reap the benefits as long as you could work around it if the limitation were to ever come up.</p>
<p>I would have more of a problem with it if it were in a public access environment (such as a library) where the users couldn&#8217;t change the setting themselves.</p>
<p>The community driven aspect of the filtering list doesn&#8217;t really change my opinion of the concept of filtering in general; if it&#8217;s not an optional choice by the user then I&#8217;m opposed to it flat out (so I&#8217;m OK with OpenDNS doing it as long as the <em>use</em> of OpenDNS is optional). The reason is that even if it is truly community driven (which most are not - the company usually still has the final say) then it&#8217;s still an opportunity for discriminatory censorship. If something I&#8217;d like to read is blocked, I don&#8217;t really care whether the larger community agrees that it should be or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5874</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 00:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are trade offs for everything. In the case of the eBay incident I rather prevent it from happening then having the inconvenience of not being able to view a site for either an "hour" or until I take 5 seconds and change a network preference.

The above doesn't account for the censorship issue but from what I see the companies they use are community driven. So if there is a problem with an incorrectly tagged site then it would should be changed fairly quick. Similar to the approach of open source security.

You're "concern" is understandable but I prefer prevention rather than a speculative concern.

If it does get out of control there's always the option of stopping your use and/or contributing to the communities they use or any other company uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are trade offs for everything. In the case of the eBay incident I rather prevent it from happening then having the inconvenience of not being able to view a site for either an &#8220;hour&#8221; or until I take 5 seconds and change a network preference.</p>
<p>The above doesn&#8217;t account for the censorship issue but from what I see the companies they use are community driven. So if there is a problem with an incorrectly tagged site then it would should be changed fairly quick. Similar to the approach of open source security.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re &#8220;concern&#8221; is understandable but I prefer prevention rather than a speculative concern.</p>
<p>If it does get out of control there&#8217;s always the option of stopping your use and/or contributing to the communities they use or any other company uses.</p>
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		<title>By: nstryker</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5875</link>
		<dc:creator>nstryker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>always wear a condom on your computer, because "your protection is our future medal."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>always wear a condom on your computer, because &#8220;your protection is our future medal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5876</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's with all the duplicate links?

Anyway, I'm not too worried about them blocking phishing sites that actually are phishing sites, but they do mention "phishing and malware" related sites in their description.

I'm not accusing OpenDNS of anything like this, but to me any content filtering is a slippery slope towards censorship. For example, what are the criteria used to determine whether a particular page / site is "malware" related? What if I (or an anonymous commenter) am discussing a particular security vulnerability on my blog which could be exploited to do some damage by people with foul intentions? Is that enough to get my site blacklisted? If so, what do I do if I complain and they tell me they feel that they were correct and it should be blocked?

Since those criteria are not disclosed it's basically arbitrary as far as we know. They might have business relationships with companies that allow undue influence in their filtering decisions as well. For example, if they're in bed with Apple and Apple all of a sudden decides they aren't down with the AppleTV hacks anymore, then your blog could be banned for distributing "illegal hacking instructions".

Again, I'm not saying OpenDNS would ever do something like that, it's just a general concern I have with all net filtering systems. Then again, they are a company where management can change hands at any time, so you never know.

For some who aren't bothered by that, it's perfectly fine to use them, as long as you understand and are willing to accept the potential limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with all the duplicate links?</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m not too worried about them blocking phishing sites that actually are phishing sites, but they do mention &#8220;phishing and malware&#8221; related sites in their description.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not accusing OpenDNS of anything like this, but to me any content filtering is a slippery slope towards censorship. For example, what are the criteria used to determine whether a particular page / site is &#8220;malware&#8221; related? What if I (or an anonymous commenter) am discussing a particular security vulnerability on my blog which could be exploited to do some damage by people with foul intentions? Is that enough to get my site blacklisted? If so, what do I do if I complain and they tell me they feel that they were correct and it should be blocked?</p>
<p>Since those criteria are not disclosed it&#8217;s basically arbitrary as far as we know. They might have business relationships with companies that allow undue influence in their filtering decisions as well. For example, if they&#8217;re in bed with Apple and Apple all of a sudden decides they aren&#8217;t down with the AppleTV hacks anymore, then your blog could be banned for distributing &#8220;illegal hacking instructions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not saying OpenDNS would ever do something like that, it&#8217;s just a general concern I have with all net filtering systems. Then again, they are a company where management can change hands at any time, so you never know.</p>
<p>For some who aren&#8217;t bothered by that, it&#8217;s perfectly fine to use them, as long as you understand and are willing to accept the potential limitations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5877</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit,

&lt;a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/#determine_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How does OpenDNS decide if a site is a phishing site?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/#report_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How do I report a phishing site to OpenDNS?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/#mistakenly_blocked_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How do I tell OpenDNS about a mistakenly-blocked site?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/#determine_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow">How does OpenDNS decide if a site is a phishing site?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/#report_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow">How do I report a phishing site to OpenDNS?</a><br />
<a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/#mistakenly_blocked_sites" rel="nofollow">How do I tell OpenDNS about a mistakenly-blocked site?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5878</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops


				&lt;a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/what_is_phishing" rel="nofollow"&gt;What is phishing?&lt;/a&gt;
				&lt;a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/determine_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How does OpenDNS decide if a site is a phishing site?&lt;/a&gt;
				&lt;a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/report_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How do I report a phishing site to OpenDNS?&lt;/a&gt;
				&lt;a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/mistakenly_blocked_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How do I tell OpenDNS about a mistakenly-blocked site?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops</p>
<p>				<a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/what_is_phishing" rel="nofollow">What is phishing?</a><br />
				<a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/determine_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow">How does OpenDNS decide if a site is a phishing site?</a><br />
				<a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/report_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow">How do I report a phishing site to OpenDNS?</a><br />
				<a href="http://www.opendns.com/faq/mistakenly_blocked_sites" rel="nofollow">How do I tell OpenDNS about a mistakenly-blocked site?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5879</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your statement:


				&lt;a href="#determine_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How does OpenDNS decide if a site is a phishing site?&lt;/a&gt;
				&lt;a href="#report_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How do I report a phishing site to OpenDNS?&lt;/a&gt;
				&lt;a href="#mistakenly_blocked_sites" rel="nofollow"&gt;How do I tell OpenDNS about a mistakenly-blocked site?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your statement:</p>
<p>				<a href="#determine_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow">How does OpenDNS decide if a site is a phishing site?</a><br />
				<a href="#report_phishing_sites" rel="nofollow">How do I report a phishing site to OpenDNS?</a><br />
				<a href="#mistakenly_blocked_sites" rel="nofollow">How do I tell OpenDNS about a mistakenly-blocked site?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5880</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can't find the post but it was about Martha replying to an eBay scam e-mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t find the post but it was about Martha replying to an eBay scam e-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/05/01/pathetic-attempt/#comment-5881</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 03:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was the scam about? I don't remember it.

The "filtering" capabilities of openDNS is actually one of the potential downsides for me. As with any filtering system, the question is who controls the list, and what happens when something gets put on the list that you actually want to go to or see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the scam about? I don&#8217;t remember it.</p>
<p>The &#8220;filtering&#8221; capabilities of openDNS is actually one of the potential downsides for me. As with any filtering system, the question is who controls the list, and what happens when something gets put on the list that you actually want to go to or see.</p>
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